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vox
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« on: February 27, 2011, 07:26:58 AM »

My son recently asked me what the best processors are as he wants to build a new rig. Well, after thinking about it for a while and looking at all the Intel offerings (He's an Intel kind of person) I couldn't tell him for sure.
Then the questions came; "What's the difference between dual and triple channel memory" ? "What CPU's use what and why" ? "Is a "K" version worth the extra" ?  There seems to be a huge proliferation of CPU's and that's not taking the AMD devices in to the total.
Not only just to pass this info on to my son, I would like to know what and if anyone really knows why all these confusingly numbered CPU's exist (especially the i7 series) and what socket type with it's dual/triple channel memory config is the best ? can anyone shed some light on this? Thanks Guys.  Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2011, 11:03:39 AM »

Ok, here you go:

Ram varies by socket, LGA1156 and LGA1155 use dual channel.
LGA1366 uses triple channel.
The practical difference is that if you need between 4gb and 6gb for your daily stuff triple is better as you'll have three 2gb sticks without loosing performance.
If you put 3 2gb sticks in 1155/1156 you are forced into single channel ram mode, which is half the speed of dual channel.

Speed wise, dual and triple are quite close in everything but memory benchmarks, it's not an issue.


CPU wise:
The "K" cpus have unlocked mulitpliers, on 1156 and 1366 this isn't a very big deal, it makes OCing a bit easier as you don't have to balance ram and qpi and uncore along with cpu core while changing bclk, but it's not really that hard to do.
On 1155 (sandybridge) this is very important as the multiplier is the only way you can overclock!

The non-K chips either have four extra multipliers for OCing (i7s) or none (i5, i3).  That means for a stock speed of 3.4ghz (say a 2600), you can only OC to 3.8ghz, no further.
With a K chip, you can use up to a 57x multiplier, for 5700mhz.  Now the chip may not actually be able to run there (in fact, few will, if you get one that will sell it to me immediately!), but all of them will do 4.5ghz bare minimum with 24/7 safe voltages.

Now, that said a 2600 at 3.8ghz is faster then a 1366 core i7 950 at 4ghz, so that's probably OK if you aren't planning on benching.



Here is what I would tell your son:
"Son, buy sandybridge.  I know it's impossible right now due to the recall, but this is the time to learn patience, it will be worth it."
"In the mean time, check out overclockers.com as they have by far the friendliest people, including this Bobnova guy that showed up on FK recently"
"Once you get your sandybridge setup with a 2600K, I expect you to OC the balls off it and join the overclockers.com benchmarking team to help them, and bobnova, dominate the rankings"


Or something like that Tongue
The "best" varies a lot based on what you're doing, and your resources.
For instance, right now I have the "best" intel chip, a 980x (ok 990x is 2% better, sue me), it beats sandybridge in everything IF I cool it with liquid nitrogen.  I cannot do that as it costs a ton here, I cool with dry ice.  On dry ice, the 980x cannot get high enough to beat a sandybridge chip, so for me the "best" cpu is a 2600K.
On air, it's no contest, the 2600K OC's further on safeish voltages AND is faster clock/clock.
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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2011, 04:08:18 PM »

Thanks Bobnova, I won't be upgrading for a while yet, but I will get my son (who's just turned 30 yeas old BTW) to read your post. He can make up his own mind as I don't see him a lot these days. useful info that, thanks again and have a brownie point.  Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2011, 06:32:55 AM »

Nuc just posted this on the Articles page Smiley

http://www.funkykit.com/articles/7541-whats-the-difference-between-dual-and-triple-channel.html


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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2011, 07:51:36 AM »

That should be very useful info for a lot of people who now want to upgrade.  Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2011, 08:31:24 AM »

Yeah ... thanks Bobnova and Vox Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2011, 09:52:21 AM »

Awesome, thanks Madmax!

EDIT:  Is it intentionally non-front-page?  I ask cause I forget sometimes Cheesy
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« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2011, 10:18:25 AM »

I didn't intend it for the front page Bobnova, but I don't mind. After all we're here to help others through the more and more complex continually updated world of computers.
As I get older It's harder to keep up with it all! Us old people need a little more help. I speak for myself here, sorry Oldman.  Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2011, 01:40:27 PM »

Non-front-age is fine, doesn't matter to me.  I've accidentally published in non-front-page mode when I meant to front page it, that's why I asked.

Glad I could help y'all out Cheesy
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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2011, 11:17:18 PM »

Ah ... that's where you're wrong Wink

Cos it will be a main featured article tonight !!  Tongue

I'm timing it so that the articles are spread evenly throught the week.
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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2011, 12:14:36 AM »

lol!
Never know what is going to happen around here! Cheesy
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« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2011, 08:38:01 AM »

I didn't intend it for the front page Bobnova, but I don't mind. After all we're here to help others through the more and more complex continually updated world of computers.
As I get older It's harder to keep up with it all! Us old people need a little more help. I speak for myself here, sorry Oldman.  Smiley


Ha why do you think it takes me so long to build, just when I find what I want they come out with something I like better.
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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2011, 11:59:09 AM »

ALOL! I have the same problem my old friend,
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